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First Light Session for 12" LX200 ACF & ST-10XME
Bullet First Light for 12" LX200 ACF + ST-10XME
Bullet Comparison of images (12" LX200R + ST-10XME / 8" LX200 Classic + ST-7E)
Bullet Star Blooming
Bullet Focus Differences between Filters
Bullet Collimation Issues
Bullet RA Drift & Periodic Error
Bullet Ted Agos Universal Focal Reducer Adapter Tube
 
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Goto Images from 2009-03-09


First Light for 12" LX200 ACF + ST-10XME

Main objective of the session was  to test new LX200R telescope and ST-10XME/CFW10 under night sky conditions.

Note : Images from this first light session were taken at approximately full moon, before any balance and collimation adjustments and without periodic error correction or quantitative focusing.  Reduction was with a dithered master night flat.  Later tests showed that polar alignment was fairly good. but that scope balance was extremely compromised by the heavy CCD/Filter Wheel equipment.

Stars are somewhat bloated due to some mis-collimation and elongated/trailed due to Periodic Error and poor scope balancing.

Official 'First Light' image (Comet Lulin) is shown below.  

A full set of best images from the night are on the Session's Images Page (2009-03-09)

12" LX200R First Light Image
C/2007 N3 (Lulin) passing through starfield in Leo
[Measurements:  FWHM : 5.25", Aspect Ratio 19%, Curvature 16%, Collimination Error 44" ]

Image
CCD Image (Linear Scale),  
30s sec exposure, 3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-09 21:08 h UT (#356006)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
 
 Imaging Equipment used for 'First Light' Session
(The Meade Microfocuser is just temporary and will swapped 
out for my Optec TCF-S focuser for future sessions)
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Comparison of images (12" LX200R + ST-10XME  /  8" LX200 Classic + ST-7E)

A comparison of selected images from first light session with previous images taken with old scope/camera is shown below.  The images are not meant to be used as a full and direct comparison of the abilities of the two setups, but were used to check the performance of the new scope and help resolve remaining tuning issues.

12" LX200 R + ST-10XME 
(Below / (Left)
8" LX200 Classic + ST-7E 
(Below / Right)
  
M1 - Supernovae remnant
Image Image
CCD Image (linear scale, 60% size, cropped)
5 x 60s exposure (average combine), 3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-09 21:48 h UT  (#356039-50)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image (linear scale)
6 x 180s exposure (average combine), 2x2 binning, C Filter
2007-09-11 01:05 hUT (#211121-26)
8" LX200 Classic (at f/6.6) + ST-7E 
Equivalent image but obtained with shorter exposure
New image let down by poor collimination/
non-sharp stars
 
M13 (Hercules) - Globular Cluster
Image Image
CCD Image (square root scaling)
10s, 2x2 binning, R Filter
2009-03-10 00:20 h UT  (#356196)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image (linear scaling
120s Clear Filter
2005-06-06  23:26 h UT (#88020)
8" LX200 classic (at x.x) + ST-7E
Equivalent image but obtained with shorter exposure
 
M101  (Ursa Major)
Image Image
CCD Image Mosaic (cropped) 
3 x 3 min (average combine),  3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-10 00:54 h UT  (#356245-49)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
Part of CCD Image Mosaic (1x2) 
3 x 2 min (average combine),  C Filter
2004-12-11 07:04 h UT (#79063-68)
8" LX200 classic (at f/10.3 ?) + ST-7E
Significantly improved image
(strongly helped by larger telescope aperture and
 much higher sensitivity of new camera)
 
M81  (Ursa Major)
Image Image
CCD Image (linear scale, 92% size)
90 sec exposure (single frame), 3x3 binning, C Filter 
2009-03-10 01:29 h UT  (#356259)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image (linear scale)
7 x 2 min exposure (average combine), 2x2 binning, C Filter 
2006-05-04 01:07 h UT (#121176-82)
8" LX200 classic (at x.x) + ST-7E
Broadly equivalent image
(new image acquired with much shorter exposure, 
but let down by non-sharp stars/poor collimination)
 
Image N/A
CCD Image (linear scale, 50% size)
Image details as above
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
Not possible to acquire as a single frame 
with old equipment due to smaller field of view
and due to camera abutting the base of fork mount.
 
M82  (Ursa Major) - Spiral Galaxy
Image N/A
CCD Image (linear scale, 50% size)
90 sec exposure (single frame), 3x3 binning, C Filter 
2009-03-10 01:29 h UT  (#356259)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
Not possible to acquire with old equipment as 
 base of fork mount prevents camera reaching 
declination of M82
 
NGC 2392 (Gemini) - Planetary Nebula
Image Image
CCD Image (square root scaling, 200% size, cropped)
3 x 10 sec (average combine), 2x2 binning (half-frame), C Filter
2009-03-09 22:22 h UT  (#356101-03)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image (square root scaling, 200% size)
7 x 45 sec (medium combine), 1x1 binning, C Filter
2007-12-14 21:59hUT (#241186-92)
8" LX200 classic (at x.x) + ST-7E
Broadly equivalent image
(new image acquired with much shorter exposure, 
but let down by non-sharp stars/poor collimination)
 
M97  (Ursa Major) - Planetary Nebula
Image Image
CCD Image (linear scale, cropped)
3 x 60 sec exposure (average frame), 3x3 binning, C Filter 
2009-03-09 22:59 h UT  (#356129-31)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image
8 x 180s exposure (average combine), 2x2 binning, C Filter
2006-12-17 00:31 hUT (#164397-404)
8" LX200 classic (at x.x) + ST-7E
Broadly equivalent image
(new image acquired with much shorter exposure)
M57  (Lyra) - Planetary Nebula
Image Image
CCD Image (linear scale, cropped)
15s sec exposure (single frame), 2x2 binning, C Filter 
2009-03-10 01:47h UT  (#356277)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
CCD Image (linear scale, cropped)
3 x 60s exposure (average combine), 1x1 binning, C Filter
2008-10-13 19:14 hUT (#315009-11)
8" LX200 classic (at x.x) + ST-7E
Broadly equivalent image
(new image let down by poor focussing/sharpness 
old image helped by stacking)
NGC 2362 / Caldwell 64 (Canis Major) - Open Cluster
Image N/A

 

CCD Image (52% size) - Altitude 7d 10m 
5 sec exposure (single frame), 3x3 binning, C Filter 
2009-03-12 20:49 h UT  (#357008)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
At Declination of  -24d 57m it was not possible to acquire 
this Caldwell object using previous (shorter) equipment &  
sliding roof as the target lay several degrees 
below the observatory wall
^
12" LX200 R + ST-10XME 
(Above / Left)
^
8" LX200 Classic + ST-7E 
(Above /Right)

 


Star Blooming 

Star Blooming - ST-10XME
Sirius (Canis Major)

Image
CCD Image (Montage (different black/white range), Note : North down.
0.2s sec exposure, 3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-09 21:03 h UT (#356003)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME

Sirius with Bloom

Sirius corrected for  Bloom
using 'Fix Blooming Streaks' utility in CCDOps

Image Image
CCD Image (Linear Scale, cropped),  
0.2s sec exposure, 3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-09 21:03 h UT (#356003)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME

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 Focus Differences between Filters

M13 taken through different Filters using CFW10 Filter Wheel
(Images are all taken using the same Focus Position)

C, B, R and I filters are approximately par-focal (V also par-focal, but not recorded here)
U exposure is too short to make any conclusion on focus position (QE in U band is very low)
Red, Green, Blue filters have significantly different focus position to CBVR filters
Spectral filter also has a significant different focus position.
 
My imaging software program has previously been programmed to set the focuser to a different position 
for the S(pectra) filter compared to the position for C & BVR filters. With the clear indication of very different focus 
positions for the RGB filters I've updated my software to hold a different focus position offset for each filter, 
which will then be used to automatically adjust the Optec-TCF-S focus position before taking each image.

Image
(Images are all taken using the same Focus Position)

CCD Image Montage 
10-30s exposures (single frames), 3x3 binning, Various Filters
2009-03-09 (#356188-237)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME

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Collimation Issues

Non-focused image of M13 showing effects of miscollimation

Brightening on right hand side of each star (producing non-circular light cones) 
shows that the scope is miscolliminated.

Image
Unfocused CCD Image  (200% size enlargement)
10s exposures (single frames), 3x3 binning, R Filter
2009-03-09 (#356191)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME

FWHM analysis of 30 focused images of Comet C/2007 N3 (Lulin) showing effects of miscollimation

(Graph shows focused images have a relatively high FWHM, with P50 of 6.5 arc secs 
and a best FWHM little better than 4.0 arcs secs - average seeing at my site 
should have produced average FWHM of around 4.5 arc secs
Seeing didn't within normal range and there was little wind.
The higher than expected FWHM value are considered to be a further indication that the scope is not optimally collimated.

Images recorded a sky area lying at altitude 52 deg 

Image
Example image containing stars analysed for FWHM - Altitude 52 deg.
(Note : The FWHM for comet was not included within the statistics)
Image
CCD Image (Linear Scale),  
30s sec exposure, 3x3 binning, C Filter
2009-03-09 21:08 h UT (#356006)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME

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RA Drift & Periodic Error

Examination of several sets of images with time sequences of 5-20 minutes showed there to a consistent drifting of stars in RA .  It was considered that this might be a issues with mount's polar alignment but images in southern and western skies did not show significant declination drift.   Source of problem is not yet identified but it thought to be due to either due to a telescope balance problem (no balance weights used during first light session) or a tracking issue. 

More detailed analysis was carried out on the sequence of 30 x 30sec exposures of Comet C/2007 N3 (Lulin) which covered a 16 minutes interval.  Images were centered on a sky position at Declination +19d 50m and almost due south.  During this time stars drifted Westwards by around 30 arc secs (at rate of 1.9 arc sec/min), whilst drifting northwards by around 3.5 arc sec (at rate of 0.22 arc secs/min).  Camera was rotated 4 deg from N/S position.  The images were recorded without any PEC training/corrections.  Stacking frames without any alignment revealed the overall drift of the stars (see image below).  Drift in RA is not constant but oscillates over 8 min cycles during to Periodic Error,  as shown by the bright ('stationary drift') points along the star and comet trails (and even better seen by Blink Comparison/Animation).

The positional information from a single bright star from the 30 frames was measured and after removing the RA drift showed that the residual periodic error of the new scope is between 18 - 22 arc secs (at Declination +19d 50h)

Star drift and periodic error effects during 16 minute interval

Star drift (RA) : 2 arc secs/min westwards:
Star drift (Dec) : 0.25 arc sec/min northwards
Periodic Error : 30 arc secs

Note: Comet C/2007 N3 (Lulin) records a higher drift rate due to its motion relative to background stars

Image
Annotated CCD Image 
30 x 30s sec exposure (average combined / no alignment on stars or comet)
 3x3 binning, C Filter, Cropped
2009-03-09 21:08 - 21:24h UT (#356006-35)
12" LX200R  (at f/5.8) + ST-10XME
 

Star Drift
Comparison of sections from first and last frames from above sequence
Stars are drifting west, indicating that the scope is not keeping up with celestial motion

Image
 
Periodic Error
Periodic Error on a star taken from above sequence of 30 x 30 sec exposures
Image
2009-03-09 21:08 - 21:24 h UT (#356006-35)

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Ted Agos Universal Focal Reducer Adapter Tube

In early 2009 I purchased a Ted Agos Universal Adapter Tube fitted with an Antares focal reducer.  This is become a main part of my new imaging setup from 2009 onwards.  During the 'first light' session the Adapter Tube was used with the Standard Meade Microfocuser (rather than my own Optec TCF-S focuser).

It was found that the Adapter tube (2" OD) could not be fully inserted into the Microfocuser, but held up around 4.5 cm before its expected full insertion point. Investigation alter showed that this was due to the Standard Visual Back on the scope having a clear aperture of only 1-5/8".  Whilst there are 'Eye-Openers' on the market which can replace the standard visual back and would presumably allow the Adapter Tube to be fully inserted into the Meade Microfocuser,  in my case the Adapter Tube is destined to be used with Optec TCF-S focuser which has its own Visual Back mount with 2.1/8" clear aperture. (see notes from next session with results with Optec TCF-S, 2009-03-15)

 Imaging Equipment used for 'First Light' Session
(The Meade Microfocuser is just temporary and will swapped 
out for my Optec TCF-S focuser for future sessions)

Image Image

Ted Agos Adapter Tube fitted with Antares 6.3 focal reducer


Perspective view


Push Rod inserted into Tube to move sliding insert

Image Image

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